Wednesday, 31 July 2024

Matthew Syed need to be deported to America

Just listening to A New Frontier: 4. With the Gods with Matthew Syed and its all a bit of fanciful fun. The kind of conversations you have with primary school kids.. and then Syed admits that he is sympathetic to the idea of promoting off world colonies.

OMG

Anyone who promotes American Ideas seriously needs to be either deported or executed. American ideas are universally junk with no exception, and anyone who takes them seriously has a serious mental health condition. We criticise the Chinese for re-education camps but when it comes to American Ideas, people do need re-education.

I suppose another way to put that is to use American Ideas as a test. Try someone or yourself out on an idea. If you like it then check whether it was supported by an American. If it was then you have serious problems.

Consider the current program.

(1) Life, mankind and conscious all happened by themselves. The universe is capable of creating everything by itself. Whether that is God or by some "natural" process the point is that Mankind played no part. So why do Americans think they have anything to add? Elon Musk apparently is fuelled by broad ideas of evangelising human life beyond this planet. Given what a disaster humans have been to this planet, anyone with an ounce of humility and common-sense would realise that if we destroy this planet then we absolutely should stop ourselves spreading.

So far then all arguments point to appreciating what we have and looking after it. All our technology should not be trying to change things but nurture and appreciate the world that created us.


The Greeks even have a story to remind us the folly of pushing technology too far in Icarus

At bottom line all these fantasists are stumbling at a simple point. There is no point to life. They fight and struggle and do "great" things in order ultimately to prove that they exist and they are meaningful. The gods just laugh. Especially Elon Musk who has never and never will do anything. Whatever great things he thinks he will achieve, will always be eclipsed by the miracle that gave rise to him in the first place. The goal to a good life is not to get on the endless travellator of "progress" trying to achieve something to call your own, but rather to appreciate what you already have been given. It a hard thing for the ego to swallow that it is really irrelevant and if anything just a burden that makes life hard. But once you kick the habit then life is easy, full and without fear of being empty.

Other crazy ideas like "spreading consciousness" around the galaxy. Yet ask any of these people where consciousness is and they can't answer you. The brain they say. SO does that mean the world that you are conscious of is in your brain? So where is your brain? Is you brain inside itself? You have a contradiction at the outset.

Lets start again: where is consciousness.  

the point is that it is no where. Given that what is this crazy idea of "spreading consciousness". Complete idiocy.

And so the craziness continues in this program.

Earlier on the idea of sending future politicians on orbits of the Earth to give them a perspective. For 40 years I have been told to wear a cycling helmet by someone who once visited a hospital for people with head injuries mostly caused by cycle accidents. We can brainwash anyone by giving them personal experience. A politician does not need personal experience, their whole role (if they are any good) is to listen and have the creativity and sympathy to understand someone else's point of view without it being their own.

At every turn this program is junk. But it is fun. Like everything American it is fun, but it is junk and like American food you can eat it once in a while but you would not base your diet around it.

The fact that Matthew Syed admitted to be sympathetic to any of these American idea raises serious doubts about his mental health.

On aside a lot of these Evangelical Ideas seem to have come from the fusion of Christianity and Science in Russia. Ideas of copying the Gospels and resurrecting people from the dead and evangelising mankind into space.

Again there is always this issue. God is perfectly powerful enough to resurrect people, why do we need to do it.

This leaves only evangelising. Persuading people of the true nature (Law) of the world is what evangelising really is. It takes no technology or invention, it simply requires to cool them off from their worldly business, and just look again at the world around them that God made (if you are religious), understand it and appreciate what wonder gifts there are.

What a load of dangerous nonsense.

Monday, 29 July 2024

Demonstration of Paradox that is consistent and complete (more SRH)

So I know the famous mathematician Terence Tao starts his work on ChatGPT these days. And I also understand the inherent risk in doing that because ChatGPT will just learn from the user. Not that I'm trying to be first here because there are literally thousands of far, far more distinguished people than me articulating this much better than me. But sometimes you need to puzzle your way through just to get to the question you want answered. What exactly is the question behind SRH?

Well I gave up and just put current understanding into ChatGPT. My practical logic is rubbish having only done a single module at university so very happy to have the machine tool of ChatGPT to do the lifting here!

What is particular interesting about this Tarski et al. have already shown that meta-predicates cause terminal paradoxes e.g. Godel (incompleteness and inconsistency theorems). Yet here we are negotiating a Self-Reference Paradox non terminally! Much more advanced TODO : how does this apply to Godel's two theorems?

This is based on the statement : "every rule has an exception"


Demonstration of Paradox that is consistent and complete

Statement of the Paradox

Statement Q:

Q: ∀x (R(x) → ∃y ¬T(x, y))

Where:

  • R(x): x is a rule.
  • T(x, y): The rule x is true for y.
  • ¬T(x, y): y is an exception to x.

Interpretation of Q

  • Meaning: Every rule x has at least one exception y such that T(x, y) is not true.

Analysis of Q

  1. Assume Q is a Rule:

    • GivenR(Q) is true (i.e., Q is a rule).
  2. Apply Q to Itself:

    • According to Q, since Q is a rule, there must be at least one y such that ¬T(Q, y) is true. This means there exists at least one y where T(Q, y) is false.
  3. Consistency Argument:

    • Finding Exceptions: If there is some y such that ¬T(Q, y) is true, then y is an exception to Q. This is consistent with Q’s assertion that every rule (including Q itself) should have exceptions.
    • No Inherent Contradiction: The presence of an exception y to Q does not invalidate Q; it actually demonstrates Q’s claim. Q claims that every rule has exceptions, and finding such an exception supports Q rather than contradicting it.

Summary of the Paradox

  • Self-Referential Nature: Q asserts that every rule must have an exception. If Q is a rule, it must have exceptions, which aligns with its own claim.
  • Resolution of the Paradox: The paradox arises from the self-referential nature of Q. However, this self-reference does not lead to a logical inconsistency. Instead, it reinforces Q’s claim because if Q has exceptions, it demonstrates Q’s validity as a rule.

Conclusion

  • Consistent and Complete: The apparent paradox is resolved by recognizing that Q’s self-referential nature does not create a logical contradiction. Instead, it aligns with Q’s own definition. The fact that Q has exceptions confirms Q’s validity, making the paradox consistent and complete.

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Of course the obvious problem here is the function T(x,y) which is an emulator. It takes the unary expression x and determines whether it evaluates to true for y.

Now we will adopt Godel numbering here to expand the power of the logic. If every possible expression is ordered then we can assign it a number in the list which acts as an alternative name. This means a number can be value and it can represent a function. They are interchangeable.

Now T is not immediately self-referential because it is a binary function. However you can Curry the function into a set of functions for each y.

Ty(x) has the same result as T(x,y) which evaluates x(y).

Now we can ask T(Ty,y) which evaluates Ty(Ty) 

Ty is just a number, but it is also a function that can be applied to numbers. So it is not technical. It could for example be the function 2345 in the list say x -> x^2 applied to the value 2345 evaluation to 5499025.

But we also have self-reference. By SRH we know to expect problems.

It has been shown before that unfortunately there is no way to compute whether an expression implies self-reference. So SRH depends upon a non-computable result and so SRH cannot be computed. Like Turing's Halting we know that programs may loop forever but there is no universal way to find out. Obviously by inspection 10 GOTO 10 will evaluate forever. But this cannot be developed for all possible programs. Likewise SRH.

Let us simply follow Turing. Create a function Py(x) which evaluates to T(x,y) + 1

Now what is the value of Py(Py)?

Py(Py) = T(Py, y)

But by the definition above Py(Py) = T(Py, y) + 1

We have a simple contradiction. So T(x, y) cannot exist. This is Tarski's result also.

In general if you hand an expression the power to make statements about itself then you can easily construct a contradiction by modifying that result. This indeed would be the essence of SRH. You cannot consistently/completely apply self-reference. Or to turn that around if self-reference can be shown then you cannot be consistent/complete. And in SRH that is interpreted to make the system unbounded which leads to the broader observation that knowledge and the world is unbounded and infinite.

To try and mitigate this you could try a Russel and Whitehead typing system to stop things making statements about themselves. But typing itself is contradictory. These are powerful results that break the very objectives of logic and systems itself.

Now while T(x,y) cannot exist, it does however demonstrate in the first part that a Paradox may not be Inconsistent or Incomplete. This in fact disproves the SRH. That not all instances of self-reference or even Paradox lead to contradiction.

That itself is Paradoxical as surely the definition of a Paradox is contradictory result. But by incorporating paradox into the expression we can allow for it.









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Unedited ChatGPT conversations leading up to the conclusion. Interesting to see how ChatGPT works.

Definitions

  1. Predicate for Rules: Let R(x)R(x) represent "x is a rule."
  2. Predicate for Exceptions: Let E(x,y)E(x, y) represent "y is an exception to rule x."

Formal Statement

To express "every rule has an exception," you can use the following logical formulation:

x(R(x)yE(x,y))\forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

Negating the Statement

To negate this statement, follow these steps:

  1. Original Statement: x(R(x)yE(x,y))\forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

  2. Apply Negation to the Entire Statement: ¬x(R(x)yE(x,y))\neg \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

  3. Use the Negation of Universal Quantifier: The negation of a universal quantifier \forall becomes an existential quantifier \exists: x¬(R(x)yE(x,y))\exists x \, \neg (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

  4. Negate the Implication: To negate the implication R(x)yE(x,y)R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y), use the fact that: ¬(AB)A¬B\neg (A \rightarrow B) \equiv A \land \neg B Here, AA is R(x)R(x) and BB is yE(x,y)\exists y \, E(x, y). So: ¬(R(x)yE(x,y))R(x)¬(yE(x,y))\neg (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y)) \equiv R(x) \land \neg (\exists y \, E(x, y))

  5. Negate the Existential Quantifier: The negation of yE(x,y)\exists y \, E(x, y) is: ¬(yE(x,y))y¬E(x,y)\neg (\exists y \, E(x, y)) \equiv \forall y \, \neg E(x, y)

    Therefore: ¬(R(x)yE(x,y))R(x)y¬E(x,y)\neg (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y)) \equiv R(x) \land \forall y \, \neg E(x, y)

  6. Combine Everything: Putting it all together, the negation of the original statement is: x(R(x)y¬E(x,y))\exists x \, (R(x) \land \forall y \, \neg E(x, y))

Summary

The negation of x(R(x)yE(x,y))\forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y)) is:

x(R(x)y¬E(x,y))\exists x \, (R(x) \land \forall y \, \neg E(x, y))

This means that there exists at least one xx such that R(x)R(x) is true and, for all yy, E(x,y)E(x, y) is false.

Now let us use the symbol Q to refer to ∀x(R(x)→∃yE(x,y))

Chat

Q:x(R(x)yE(x,y))Q: \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

Finding the Negation of QQ

To find the negation of QQ, follow these steps:

  1. Statement QQ: Q:x(R(x)yE(x,y))Q: \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

  2. Negate the Statement QQ: To negate QQ, apply negation to the entire statement:

    ¬Q=¬x(R(x)yE(x,y))\neg Q = \neg \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

  3. Apply Negation to the Universal Quantifier: The negation of a universal quantifier \forall becomes an existential quantifier \exists:

    ¬Q=x¬(R(x)yE(x,y))\neg Q = \exists x \, \neg (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

  4. Negate the Implication: To negate the implication R(x)yE(x,y)R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y), recall that:

    ¬(AB)A¬B\neg (A \rightarrow B) \equiv A \land \neg B

    Here, AA is R(x)R(x) and BB is yE(x,y)\exists y \, E(x, y). So:

    ¬(R(x)yE(x,y))R(x)¬(yE(x,y))\neg (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y)) \equiv R(x) \land \neg (\exists y \, E(x, y))

  5. Negate the Existential Quantifier: The negation of yE(x,y)\exists y \, E(x, y) is:

    ¬(yE(x,y))y¬E(x,y)\neg (\exists y \, E(x, y)) \equiv \forall y \, \neg E(x, y)

    Therefore:

    ¬(R(x)yE(x,y))R(x)y¬E(x,y)\neg (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y)) \equiv R(x) \land \forall y \, \neg E(x, y)

  6. Combine Everything: Putting it all together:

    ¬Q=x(R(x)y¬E(x,y))\neg Q = \exists x \, (R(x) \land \forall y \, \neg E(x, y))

Summary

The negation of the statement QQ, where QQ is:

Q:x(R(x)yE(x,y))Q: \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

is:

¬Q=x(R(x)y¬E(x,y))\neg Q = \exists x \, (R(x) \land \forall y \, \neg E(x, y))

This means there exists at least one xx such that xx is a rule and for every yy, yy is not an exception to xx.

Can you confirm that R(Q) is true, given that Q is a rule.
ChatGPT

Certainly! Let's analyze the situation using the following definitions:

  1. Statement QQ: Q:x(R(x)yE(x,y))Q: \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

    This statement QQ asserts that for every xx, if xx is a rule (i.e., R(x)R(x) is true), then there exists at least one yy such that yy is an exception to xx (i.e., E(x,y)E(x, y) is true).

  2. Assuming QQ is a Rule: Suppose we consider QQ itself as a rule. In other words, we treat QQ as a specific instance of xx for which R(Q)R(Q) (i.e., QQ being a rule) is true.

    Let’s substitute QQ into the statement and check the validity:

    • If QQ is a rule, then R(Q)R(Q) is true.

    Given that QQ is a rule, the statement QQ says:

    Q:x(R(x)yE(x,y))Q: \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

    Specifically for x=Qx = Q:

    R(Q)yE(Q,y)R(Q) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(Q, y)

    If R(Q)R(Q) (i.e., QQ is a rule) is true, then:

    yE(Q,y)\exists y \, E(Q, y)

    This means that there must exist at least one yy such that E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true. In other words, there should be some yy for which yy is an exception to the rule QQ.

Conclusion

  • If QQ is indeed a rule, R(Q)R(Q) is true by definition.
  • For QQ to satisfy its own condition, yE(Q,y)\exists y \, E(Q, y) must also be true. This means there should exist some yy such that E(Q,y)E(Q, y) holds true.

Summary: If QQ is a rule, then R(Q)R(Q) is true. According to the statement QQ, this implies that there must be at least one yy such that E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true. So yes, R(Q)R(Q) is true if QQ is a rule, provided that QQ correctly adheres to its own definition and there exists a yy such that E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true.

Let us take a y such that E(Q,y) is true. This means that y contradicts Q.
ChatGPT

Let's explore the idea of yy contradicting QQ when E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true.

Understanding E(Q,y)E(Q, y)

Given:

  • QQ is the statement x(R(x)yE(x,y))\forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y)).
  • E(Q,y)E(Q, y) means that yy is an exception to the rule QQ.

In the context of QQ, this translates to:

E(Q,y) means that there exists some y such that E(Q,y) holds true.E(Q, y) \text{ means that } \text{there exists some } y \text{ such that } E(Q, y) \text{ holds true.}

Interpreting the Statement QQ

The statement QQ says:

Q:x(R(x)yE(x,y))Q: \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

For x=Qx = Q:

R(Q)yE(Q,y)R(Q) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(Q, y)

  • If R(Q)R(Q) is true: This means QQ is a rule.
  • Then: There must exist at least one yy such that E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true.

Contradiction Analysis

To say that yy contradicts QQ, we need to understand what it means for E(Q,y)E(Q, y) to be true:

  • If E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true, then yy is an exception to the rule QQ.
  • For QQ itself: This implies E(Q,y)E(Q, y) indicates that yy is a case where QsËŠQ\'s condition does not hold.

Specific Case of QQ

  1. If E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true, then yy is an exception to QQ. In other words:

    There exists some y such that E(Q,y) holds true.\text{There exists some } y \text{ such that } E(Q, y) \text{ holds true.}

  2. To be an exception to QQ, yy must be such that yy does not adhere to the condition specified by QQ.

    Since QQ is:

    Q:x(R(x)yE(x,y))Q: \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

    • For QQ itself: The rule QQ states that if something is a rule, then there must be an exception.
    • E(Q,y)E(Q, y) means yy is an exception to QQ. This implies that yy is an instance where QQ does not hold.
  3. Contradiction:

    • The statement QQ asserts that every rule has an exception. If E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true, it means yy is an exception to QQ, which, in turn, is a rule asserting that every rule has an exception.
    • If E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true, yy shows that QQ itself has at least one exception, which fits the assertion of QQ.

Conclusion

  • When E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true, yy being an exception to QQ aligns with QQ's own assertion that every rule (including QQ) has an exception.
  • There is no inherent contradiction here because E(Q,y)E(Q, y) upholds the statement QQ by showing that QQ has an exception, which is consistent with QQ's own claim.

In summary, yy being an exception to QQ does not contradict QQ; instead, it supports QQ by demonstrating that QQ has an exception, as QQ asserts every rule must have at least one exception.

But this means there is no y that contradicts Q which is then a contradiction.
ChatGPT

You are correct in recognizing that if QQ is a rule, then having an exception yy that contradicts QQ leads to a paradoxical situation. Let’s delve deeper into this to clarify why it results in a contradiction.

The Paradox of QQ

Given:

Q:x(R(x)yE(x,y))Q: \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

Analysis

  1. Assuming QQ is a Rule:

    • R(Q)R(Q) is true because we are assuming QQ is a rule.
  2. Implication of QQ:

    • Since R(Q)R(Q) is true, the statement QQ demands that there exists some yy such that E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true. This means yy is an exception to QQ.
  3. Meaning of E(Q,y)E(Q, y):

    • If E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true, then yy is an exception to the rule QQ. This means yy should be a case where QQ does not hold.

Evaluating the Contradiction

To see why this leads to a contradiction:

  • QQ as a Rule:

    • QQ asserts that every rule has an exception. By assuming QQ itself is a rule, QQ must have at least one exception.
  • Existence of an Exception:

    • If E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true, then yy is an exception to QQ.
  • Implication for QQ:

    • For yy to be an exception to QQ, yy must be an instance where QQ fails to hold. However, QQ asserts that every rule has at least one exception, including itself. Therefore, the existence of yy as an exception should be consistent with QQ's statement.

The Paradox

  1. Assumption:

    • Assume QQ is a rule, and by definition of QQ, it must have an exception.
  2. Contradiction:

    • If E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true, then yy is an exception to QQ. This means yy shows a case where QQ does not apply. But this would also imply that QQ itself is inconsistent or self-contradictory, because it would be an instance of a rule that supposedly cannot be properly applied without leading to contradictions.

Summary of the Paradox

  • Self-Referential Nature: QQ is a self-referential rule that states it must have exceptions. When assuming QQ is a rule and finding exceptions, we face a paradox because any exception to QQ (i.e., E(Q,y)E(Q, y)) implies that QQ itself cannot be universally applied without contradiction.

  • Logical Contradiction: This self-referential situation creates a paradox similar to the liar paradox, where the rule’s own assertion about having exceptions leads to a logical inconsistency.

In essence, if QQ is a rule, it requires exceptions by its own definition, but the existence of an exception also suggests that QQ is failing in some self-referential way. This circular reasoning and self-reference result in a paradox, demonstrating the inherent contradiction in treating QQ as a rule with exceptions.

Can we try and rephrase this. Can we replace the predicate E(x,y), with ¬T(x,y) where T(x,y) states that the rule x is true for y and so ¬T(x,y) means that y is an exception to x.
ChatGPT

Certainly! Let's rephrase the original statement using the predicate T(x,y)T(x, y), where T(x,y)T(x, y) indicates that the rule xx is true for yy, and ¬T(x,y)\neg T(x, y) indicates that yy is an exception to the rule xx.

Rephrasing with T(x,y)T(x, y)

  1. Original Statement: Q:x(R(x)yE(x,y))Q: \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, E(x, y))

    Here, E(x,y)E(x, y) indicates that yy is an exception to the rule xx.

  2. Replace E(x,y)E(x, y) with ¬T(x,y)\neg T(x, y): E(x,y)¬T(x,y)E(x, y) \equiv \neg T(x, y)

    Therefore:

    Q:x(R(x)y¬T(x,y))Q: \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, \neg T(x, y))

    This means:

    • For every xx, if xx is a rule, then there exists at least one yy such that T(x,y)T(x, y) is not true (i.e., yy is an exception to xx).

Negation of the Rephrased Statement

To find the negation of this rephrased statement:

  1. Original Rephrased Statement: Q:x(R(x)y¬T(x,y))Q: \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, \neg T(x, y))

  2. Negate the Statement: ¬Q=¬x(R(x)y¬T(x,y))\neg Q = \neg \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, \neg T(x, y))

  3. Apply Negation to the Universal Quantifier: ¬x(R(x)y¬T(x,y))x¬(R(x)y¬T(x,y))\neg \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, \neg T(x, y)) \equiv \exists x \, \neg (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, \neg T(x, y))

  4. Negate the Implication: Recall that:

    ¬(AB)A¬B\neg (A \rightarrow B) \equiv A \land \neg B

    Here, AA is R(x)R(x) and BB is y¬T(x,y)\exists y \, \neg T(x, y). So:

    ¬(R(x)y¬T(x,y))R(x)¬(y¬T(x,y))\neg (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, \neg T(x, y)) \equiv R(x) \land \neg (\exists y \, \neg T(x, y))

  5. Negate the Existential Quantifier: The negation of y¬T(x,y)\exists y \, \neg T(x, y) is:

    ¬(y¬T(x,y))y¬¬T(x,y)yT(x,y)\neg (\exists y \, \neg T(x, y)) \equiv \forall y \, \neg \neg T(x, y) \equiv \forall y \, T(x, y)

  6. Combine Everything: So:

    ¬(R(x)y¬T(x,y))R(x)yT(x,y)\neg (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, \neg T(x, y)) \equiv R(x) \land \forall y \, T(x, y)

    Thus:

    ¬Q=x(R(x)yT(x,y))\neg Q = \exists x \, (R(x) \land \forall y \, T(x, y))

Summary

  • Original Statement: Q:x(R(x)y¬T(x,y))Q: \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, \neg T(x, y)) This means: For every rule xx, there exists some yy for which T(x,y)T(x, y) is not true (i.e., yy is an exception to xx).

  • Negation of the Rephrased Statement: ¬Q=x(R(x)yT(x,y))\neg Q = \exists x \, (R(x) \land \forall y \, T(x, y)) This means: There exists at least one xx such that xx is a rule and for all yy, T(x,y)T(x, y) is true (i.e., xx applies to every yy, so there are no exceptions).

Understanding the Paradox

If QQ is a rule and E(x,y)E(x, y) is replaced with ¬T(x,y)\neg T(x, y):

  • QQ asserts that every rule has an exception.
  • If QQ itself is a rule, then QQ must have exceptions.
  • However, if you find an exception yy to QQ, it means T(Q,y)T(Q, y) is not true for that yy, which contradicts the rule QQ itself if QQ claims every rule should have an exception.

Thus, the paradox arises because if QQ claims that every rule has an exception and you assume QQ itself is a rule, then finding an exception to QQ paradoxically validates QQ, but also points out that QQ might not universally apply, creating a self-referential contradiction.

But can you not argue that Q does universally apply because in the one instance that it does not apply namely to itself, it is actually true.
ChatGPT

Yes, you are touching on an interesting point related to self-reference and consistency in logical systems. This is reminiscent of the discussions in formal logic about self-referential statements and paradoxes.

Rephrasing and Self-Application of QQ

Let's explore the idea that QQ could still be universally applicable, even if it seems to contradict itself in the specific instance of its self-application.

  1. Rephrased Statement: Q:x(R(x)y¬T(x,y))Q: \forall x \, (R(x) \rightarrow \exists y \, \neg T(x, y)) This means: For every rule xx, there exists at least one yy such that T(x,y)T(x, y) is not true (i.e., yy is an exception to xx).

  2. Self-Application of QQ: When applying QQ to itself:

    • Assume QQ is a rule. Therefore, R(Q)R(Q) is true.
    • According to QQ, there must be an exception yy such that E(Q,y)E(Q, y) is true, which translates to ¬T(Q,y)\neg T(Q, y) being true. In other words, there should be some yy for which T(Q,y)T(Q, y) is not true.

Argument for Consistency

Self-Consistency Argument:

  1. Assumption:

    • Assume QQ is a rule.
  2. Requirement:

    • QQ asserts that every rule must have at least one exception.
  3. Exception to QQ:

    • If QQ is a rule, then according to QQ's own assertion, there must be at least one yy such that T(Q,y)T(Q, y) is not true. This aligns with QQ’s definition as a rule.
  4. Self-Consistency:

    • The fact that QQ has exceptions does not invalidate QQ; rather, it confirms QQ's assertion. In this way, QQ can be seen as universally applicable because, even in the case where QQ applies to itself, the presence of exceptions (as required by QQ) demonstrates that QQ correctly fulfills its own criterion.

Addressing the Paradox

  1. Application to Itself:

    • QQ states that every rule has exceptions. If QQ itself is a rule, then it must have exceptions.
    • Finding exceptions to QQ validates QQ's claim rather than contradicting it.
  2. Validation of QQ:

    • QQ’s self-reference implies that the presence of exceptions to QQ is consistent with QQ's definition. This is because QQ itself asserts that every rule (including itself) has exceptions.
  3. Conclusion:

    • The apparent contradiction is resolved by recognizing that QQ's self-referential nature does not invalidate it. Instead, QQ’s requirement that it has exceptions reinforces its own claim and adheres to its definition.

In summary, QQ can be argued to universally apply even when considering its own exceptions. The presence of exceptions to QQ supports the consistency of QQ rather than contradicting it. This reflects a form of self-consistency where the self-referential rule QQ aligns with its assertion by demonstrating that it indeed has exceptions.


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