ChatGPT (kind of) agrees that the ICCPR protects pacifists from paying taxes during times of war?

ChatGPT going to take some arguing with:

Me: As a religious pacifist does the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) protect me from taking part in war?
ChatGPT: Yes

Me: Does paying taxes during time of war count as contributing to a war?
ChatGPT: Paying taxes during a time of war does not necessarily directly equate to contributing to a war in a personal sense, but for many pacifists, it can be seen as an indirect contribution to a war effort.

Oooo ChatGPT is more slimy than an American lawyer in a new suit:

Having told me that the the ICCPR does not protect pacifists from paying taxes during time of war and then rejecting the syllogism:

The ICCPR protects pacifists from contributing to a war
Paying taxes contributes to a war
Therefore the ICCPR protects pacifists from paying taxes

Apparently this is not valid.

I asked it to reassert this in propositional logic and then look for a contradition:
(1) P→¬C(x)
(2) T→C
Where:
P: Represents the proposition "The ICCPR protects pacifists."
C(x): Represents the proposition "x contributes to a war."
T: Paying taxes.
C: Contributing to a war.

Thus, the combination of these propositions leads to a logical contradiction because it implies that pacifists both do and do not contribute to a war simultaneously.

Me: Both propositions are true and so they are a contradiction. Strictly ChatGPT said of (2) "does not necessarily directly equate" but for the corollary it says "often does contribute." If we narrow this to say that a pacifist must have an assurance that they are not contributing to harming others then it's closed.

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Slightly different line of questioning gives:
Me: Does a pacifist who cannot do harm to others need reassurance that what they do will not harm others?
ChatGPT: Yes

Me: So a pacifist would need reassurance that their taxes will not be used for a war effort before paying them?
ChatGPT: Yes, a pacifist might seek reassurance that their taxes will not be used for a war effort before paying them, due to their commitment to non-violence and avoiding complicity in conflict.

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Full discussion:

More concrete legal protections for conscientious objectors come from other international treaties and national laws:

1. International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR):

   • Article 18 of the ICCPR mirrors the protections of the UDHR and, importantly, has been interpreted by the United Nations Human Rights Committee to include the right to conscientious objection to military service as a part of religious freedom.
   • Some countries that have ratified the ICCPR have adopted laws or mechanisms that protect conscientious objectors, including those motivated by religious pacifism.

2. European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) (in European countries):

   • The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that compulsory military service can infringe upon an individual's right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religion under Article 9 of the ECHR. This means that, in many European countries, conscientious objection is protected by law.

National Laws:

Most protections for conscientious objectors and religious pacifists come from domestic laws. Many countries allow individuals to apply for conscientious objector status, which may exempt them from compulsory military service or allow them to perform alternative forms of civilian service instead.

Summary:

The UDHR itself does not directly protect you from taking part in war as a religious pacifist, but it lays the groundwork for more specific protections under international treaties (like the ICCPR) and national laws that recognize conscientious objection based on religious beliefs. If you live in a country that has legal provisions for conscientious objection, you may be able to claim protection based on those laws.

You said:

So there are no legally binding laws that protect human rights?

ChatGPT said:

There are legally binding laws that protect human rights, but they come in the form of international treaties, national constitutions, and laws, rather than the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) itself. Here's a breakdown:

1. International Human Rights Treaties (Legally Binding)

While the UDHR is not legally binding, many of its principles have been incorporated into binding international treaties. These treaties create legal obligations for the countries that ratify them. Some of the most important legally binding human rights treaties include:

• International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR): Protects rights such as freedom of speech, religion, and assembly. It has been ratified by many countries, and these countries are required to uphold these rights.

• International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR): Protects rights related to work, education, and an adequate standard of living. Like the ICCPR, countries that ratify this covenant must take steps to protect these rights.

• Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD): Protects against racial discrimination.

• Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW): Protects women’s rights.

• Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC): Protects children's rights.

• European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR): Protects civil and political rights in Europe and allows individuals to bring claims to the European Court of Human Rights.

• American Convention on Human Rights: Similar to the ECHR, but for the Americas.

Once a country ratifies these treaties, it has a legal obligation to respect, protect, and fulfill the rights laid out in them. Individuals can, in some cases, bring claims to international bodies (like the UN Human Rights Committee or the European Court of Human Rights) if their country violates these rights.

2. National Constitutions and Laws

Many countries have incorporated human rights protections into their national constitutions or laws. For example:

• Constitutions: Many countries enshrine fundamental human rights in their constitutions, making them legally binding. For example, the U.S. Constitution’s Bill of Rights protects freedom of speech, religion, and assembly.

• Domestic Laws: Countries may pass specific laws to enforce human rights obligations. For example, laws that prohibit discrimination, protect freedom of expression, or guarantee the right to a fair trial.

3. Regional Human Rights Systems

In addition to the global treaties, there are regional human rights systems that are legally binding for the countries involved. Examples include:

• European Court of Human Rights (ECHR): Enforces the European Convention on Human Rights for European nations.

• Inter-American Court of Human Rights: Enforces the American Convention on Human Rights for countries in the Americas.

• African Court on Human and Peoples' Rights: Enforces the African Charter on Human and Peoples' Rights in Africa.

Enforcement Mechanisms

While these treaties and laws are legally binding, enforcement can be challenging. Some countries may not fully comply with their obligations, and the effectiveness of enforcement often depends on national courts, international bodies, and political will. However, individuals in many countries can take their governments to court to enforce these rights, or appeal to international bodies if their national system fails them.

Summary

Yes, there are legally binding laws that protect human rights, primarily through international treaties and national laws. While the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is not binding by itself, it has heavily influenced the creation of binding treaties like the ICCPR, ICESCR, and others, which require countries to uphold human rights. Additionally, many countries have enshrined human rights protections in their constitutions and domestic legal systems, giving individuals legal avenues to claim these rights.

You said:

So as a religious pacifist does the ICCPR protect me from taking part in war?

ChatGPT said:

Yes, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) offers protection to religious pacifists from being forced to take part in war through its recognition of the right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religion. While the ICCPR does not explicitly mention conscientious objection to military service, it has been interpreted by the United Nations Human Rights Committee (which oversees the implementation of the ICCPR) to include the right to refuse military service based on deeply held religious or moral beliefs, including pacifism.

Key Articles in the ICCPR Relevant to Religious Pacifism:

1. Article 18: Freedom of Thought, Conscience, and Religion
   • This article guarantees everyone the right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religion. It includes the freedom to hold beliefs and to manifest them in practice, worship, teaching, and observance.
   • The Human Rights Committee, in General Comment No. 22, clarified that this article protects conscientious objection to military service. It stated that individuals should not be forced to act

You said:

Does paying taxes during time of war count as contributing to a war?

ChatGPT said:

Paying taxes during a time of war does not necessarily directly equate to contributing to a war in a personal sense, but for many pacifists, it can be seen as an indirect contribution to a war effort, since a portion of government revenue often goes toward military funding. Whether or not paying taxes during wartime counts as contributing to a war depends on the individual's beliefs and how they view their personal responsibility in the context of their religious or moral pacifism.

Different Perspectives:

1. Pacifist Perspective: Many religious pacifists or conscientious objectors believe that any form of support for war, even indirectly through taxes, goes against their beliefs. For example, the Quakers and some other religious groups have historically opposed paying taxes specifically designated for war, viewing it as complicity in violence.

2. Legal Perspective: In most countries, taxes are a legal obligation and are used to fund a wide range of government activities, including public services, infrastructure, and the military. Governments do not allow individuals to withhold taxes based on how those funds are allocated, as taxes are considered a collective societal responsibility, not an endorsement of specific government policies.

3. Religious and Ethical Concerns: Some pacifists

You said:

Does the ICCPR protect me from paying taxes during times of war?

ChatGPT said:

No, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) does not provide protection against paying taxes during times of war, even for religious pacifists. The ICCPR primarily protects individuals' rights to freedom of thought, conscience, and religion (Article 18), which includes the right to conscientious objection to military service. However, this protection does not extend to refusing to pay taxes, even if those taxes may be used to support military efforts during war.

Key Points:

1. Taxes as a General Obligation: The ICCPR does not address tax obligations, as taxes are typically seen as a civic duty that funds a wide range of government functions, including public services, healthcare, education, and defense. Governments do not typically allow individuals to pick and choose how their tax dollars are spent, and refusing to pay taxes, even for religious or moral reasons, is not protected under the ICCPR.

2. Freedom of Conscience and Religion: While Article 18 of the ICCPR protects freedom of thought, conscience, and religion, it has not been interpreted to include a right to refuse tax payments based on how those taxes might be used. In contrast, the right to conscientious objection to military service (refusing to serve in the military based on religious or moral beliefs) is more directly related to individual participation in war.

3. Tax Refusal Movements: Some pacifists or religious groups, such as the Quakers, have historically engaged in war tax resistance, refusing to
   
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You said:
Is the following syllogism valid: Socrates is a man All men are mortal Therefore Socrates is mortal

ChatGPT said:

Yes, the syllogism is valid. This type of reasoning follows a standard form of deductive logic called a categorical syllogism. The structure of the argument is logically sound.

Here’s the structure of the syllogism:

1. Premise 1: Socrates is a man. (This asserts that Socrates belongs to the category "man.")
2. Premise 2: All men are mortal. (This asserts that the category "man" is a

You said:

Is the following Syllogism valid: The ICCPR protects pacifists from contributing to a war Paying taxes contributes to a war Therefore the ICCPR protects pacifists from paying taxes

ChatGPT said:

The syllogism you provided is not valid. The reason is that the premises do not logically lead to the conclusion based on their structure. Let’s break it down:

1. Premise 1: The ICCPR protects pacifists from contributing to a war.
2. Premise 2: Paying taxes contributes to a war.
3. Conclusion: Therefore, the ICCPR protects pacifists from paying taxes.

Analysis:

• Premise 1 asserts a protection against contributing to war but does not specify what forms of contribution are covered.
• Premise 2 states that paying taxes contributes to a war.
• The Conclusion claims that the ICCPR protects pacifists specifically from paying taxes.

Why It’s Invalid:

The syllogism is invalid because the conclusion does not logically follow from the premises. Here’s why:

• Premise 1 does not specify that the ICCPR’s protection applies specifically to the act of paying taxes. It only states that pacifists are protected from contributing to a war, which is a more general statement.
• Premise 2 establishes that paying taxes contributes to a war, but it does not connect this specifically to the ICCPR’s protections.
• To validly conclude that the ICCPR protects pacifists from paying taxes, you would need a premise that explicitly connects the ICCPR’s protections to the act of paying taxes.

Valid Syllogism Structure:

For the syllogism to be valid, the premises would need to be structured such that the conclusion necessarily follows. For example:

1. Premise 1: The ICCPR protects pacifists from all forms of contribution to war.
2. Premise 2: Paying taxes is a form of contribution to war.
3. Conclusion: Therefore, the ICCPR protects pacifists from paying taxes.

In this revised structure, the conclusion logically follows from the premises, as it bridges the specific act of paying taxes with the general protection offered by the ICCPR.

You said:

Can you write "The ICCPR protects pacifists from contributing to a war" in propositional logic

ChatGPT said:

Certainly! In propositional logic, you can represent statements with propositions and logical connectives. For the statement "The ICCPR protects pacifists from contributing to a war," we can use the following approach:

1. Let:
   • $P$: The ICCPR protects pacifists.
   • $C(x)$: $x$ contributes to a war.

The statement can be formalized as:

$$P \rightarrow \neg C(x)$$

Explanation:

• $P$: Represents the proposition "The ICCPR protects pacifists."
• $C(x)$: Represents the proposition "x contributes to a war."
• $\neg C(x)$: Represents the negation of the proposition "x contributes to a war" (i.e., "x does not contribute to a war").
• $\rightarrow$: Represents logical implication (if...then...).

So, the formal representation $P \rightarrow \neg C(x)$ means "If the ICCPR protects pacifists, then pacifists do not contribute to a war."

This captures the idea that if the ICCPR provides protection to pacifists, then it implies that pacifists should not be involved in contributing to a war.

You said:

Can you write "Paying taxes contributes to a war" in propositional logic?

ChatGPT said:

Certainly! To represent the statement "Paying taxes contributes to a war" in propositional logic, we need to define appropriate propositions. Here’s a straightforward way to do it:

1. Let:
   • $T$: Paying taxes.
   • $C$: Contributing to a war.

The statement "Paying taxes contributes to a war" can be written as:

$$T \rightarrow C$$

Explanation:

• $T$: Represents the proposition "Paying taxes."
• $C$: Represents the proposition "Contributing to a war."
• $\rightarrow$: Represents logical implication (if...then...).

So, $T \rightarrow C$ means "If paying taxes occurs, then it contributes to a war." This captures the idea that paying taxes is linked to contributing to a war.

You said:

Can you show that this is a contradiction? P→¬C(x) T→C

ChatGPT said:

Certainly! To determine whether the given set of propositions leads to a contradiction, we need to analyze if there's a logical inconsistency between them.

Propositions Given:

1. $P \rightarrow \neg C(x)$
2. $T \rightarrow C$

Where:

• $P$: The ICCPR protects pacifists.
• $C(x)$: $x$ contributes to a war.
• $T$: Paying taxes.
• $C$: Contributing to a war.

To Show:

We want to see if there is a contradiction in the propositions.

Logical Analysis:

1. From Proposition 1: $P \rightarrow \neg C(x)$

   • This means: If the ICCPR protects pacifists, then pacifists do not contribute to a war.

2. From Proposition 2: $T \rightarrow C$

   • This means: If paying taxes, then contributing to a war.

To find a contradiction, let's see if we can derive an inconsistency between these propositions.

Derivation:

1. Assume $P$ is true:

   • According to Proposition 1: $P \rightarrow \neg C(x)$
   • Since $P$ is true, $\neg C(x)$ must be true (pacifists do not contribute to a war).

2. Assume $T$ is true:

   • According to Proposition 2: $T \rightarrow C$
   • Since $T$ is true, $C$ must be true (paying taxes contributes to a war).

Contradiction Check:

• From $\neg C(x)$ (pacifists do not contribute to a war) and $C$ (paying taxes contributes to a war), if pacifists are paying taxes, then $C(x)$ (pacifists contribute to a war) must be true, which is a contradiction because we have already established that $\neg C(x)$ (pacifists do not contribute to a war).

So, the contradiction arises because:

• Proposition 1 implies that if the ICCPR protects pacifists, then they do not contribute to a war ($\neg C(x)$).
• Proposition 2 implies that paying taxes leads to contributing to a war ($C$).
• If pacifists are paying taxes, they should contribute to a war ($C(x)$), but Proposition 1 asserts that they should not contribute to a war ($\neg C(x)$).

Thus, the combination of these propositions leads to a logical contradiction because it implies that pacifists both do and do not contribute to a war simultaneously.

You said:

Do taxes paid during time of war not contribute to the war effort?

ChatGPT said:

Taxes paid during wartime often do contribute to the war effort, as they are typically used to fund various aspects of military operations, defense spending, and related activities. Here’s a more detailed breakdown:

How Taxes Contribute to War Efforts:

1. Funding Military Operations: A significant portion of wartime taxes is allocated to military expenses, including salaries for service members, procurement of

You said:

Does a pacifist who cannot do harm to others need reassurance that what they do will not harm others?

ChatGPT said:

Yes, a pacifist who is committed to not causing harm to others may seek reassurance that their actions do not inadvertently lead to harm. Even if a pacifist believes that they cannot directly cause harm, they might still be concerned about the broader impact of their actions or decisions. Here are a few reasons why:

1. Ethical Consistency:

• Principle of Non-Harm: Pacifists adhere to a principle of non-harm and may seek to ensure that their actions align with their ethical beliefs. They may be concerned about whether their actions, even if intended to be non-harmful, might indirectly contribute to harm or violence.

2. Indirect Consequences:

• Unintended Impact: Sometimes, even well-intentioned actions can have unintended consequences. Pacifists might seek reassurance that their actions do not lead to negative outcomes for others, even if these outcomes are not directly within their control.

3. Moral Responsibility:

• Shared Responsibility: Pacifists might feel a moral responsibility to ensure that their actions do not support systems or processes that contribute to harm or conflict, such as paying taxes that might fund military operations.

4. Alignment with Values:

• Consistency with Beliefs: To remain true to their values, pacifists may need to continuously evaluate and reassess their actions to ensure they are not indirectly supporting harm. Reassurance helps them maintain consistency with their pacifist principles.

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You said:

So a pacifist would need reassurance that their taxes will not be used for a war effort before paying them?

ChatGPT said:

Yes, a pacifist might seek reassurance that their taxes will not be used for a war effort before paying them, due to their commitment to non-violence and avoiding complicity in conflict. Here’s why this concern might be significant:

1. Ethical and Moral Alignment:

• Consistency with Beliefs: Pacifists who avoid contributing to violence or harm might worry that their tax payments could indirectly support military actions or defense spending, which conflicts with their principles. Reassurance that their taxes are used for non-military purposes would help them align their actions with their ethical beliefs.

2. Impact of Taxes:

• Allocation of Funds: Taxes collected by governments are often used for a wide range of purposes, including military expenditures. Even if a pacifist pays taxes with the intent to support only peaceful and constructive projects, the actual allocation of those funds might still support war-related activities. Knowing how their taxes are used can be crucial to avoid moral conflict.

3. Legal and Practical Challenges:

• Feasibility of Assurance: In practice, it may be challenging to get specific assurances or guarantees about the allocation of taxes, as tax systems are complex and funds are pooled for general use. Pacifists might struggle with this practical difficulty, which can lead to internal conflict about paying taxes.

4. Alternative Actions:

• Seeking Alternatives: Some pacifists may explore alternative actions, such as engaging in war tax resistance, where they refuse to pay taxes they believe will fund military activities. Others might support organizations or initiatives they trust to ensure their money supports non-violent causes.

Reassurance Mechanisms:

• Government Transparency: Some pacifists might look for greater transparency from governments about how tax revenues are allocated.
• Ethical Investment: They might seek to support or advocate for policies that ensure tax revenues are used exclusively for non-military purposes.
• Conscientious Objector Status: In some contexts, pacifists can apply for conscientious objector status, though this is typically focused on military service rather than tax payments.

In summary, while it can be challenging to get specific reassurance about the use of taxes, pacifists might still seek such reassurance to maintain consistency with their principles of non-violence and avoid complicity in war efforts.